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Re: WET FLY WAYS.
« Reply #105 on: June 03, 2009, 04:03:08 PM »
Welcome to the post ATH.  Would love to see some pics of your designs.
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Re: WET FLY WAYS.
« Reply #106 on: June 03, 2009, 08:55:22 PM »
  Thanks, I will ask my son when he stops by to photograph a few flies that you may find interesting and have been very productive.
   I keep log books and I was just looking at the notes from the day 10/11/06 when my wife and I fished with him on an extremely bad weather day.  It was unusually cold and the temp dropped 30deg over night and up in Michigan snow fell early.
   I was afraid we would be lucky to catch a single fish.
Davy Wotton set us up with 6x tippet, a subtle yarn, indicator and a single, scud or chironomid.  We were in the Trophy zone by a dam.
   Well it was windy, dreary and cold.  However, my wife and I hooked and mostly landed all of 49 trout!  We missed a few takes and had a dozen ldrs.  Now, this was on a bad day!
  I ended up buying two 11 ft rods from Davy and have been happily wet fly fishing and Polish nymphing with that rod since then.
  My favorite wet fly is one of Davy's muddler daddy s as a top dropper.  My old eyesight is not what it was and that fly helps me to see and it is a killer on the surface, deaddrifting or bulging.  Often, on my home water when the fishing is hot, I can catch two trout at once.  Often, a bow will take a fly and then a second bow will become excited and hook itself on another fly in the team.  I have concluded that this double attack happens with other 2 or 3 fly rigs BUT most people tie a dropper to the hook of a fly.  This lazy connection does not allow a second fish to be hooked.
  With a 4 or 6 inch dropper, fish can and will take another fly.
I learned from Davy to set my drag extremely light.  If you dont you are likely to have a big fish snap your tippet on the take.  Before, I learned to trust a light drag setting and learning to palm the reel if needed, I had trout snap 4x tippet on a take, and these were only 15 inch trout, or less.
  One day, I hope to fish with Davy again and learn more.  If he comes up to Mich, I hope to take him to catch big browns on mouse flies on moonless nights or my favorite, Atlantic salmon in the rapids of the St Mary's river!  Those salmon and steelhead there will have you into the backing on the first run and jump spectacularly.BTW, I just returned from steelheading up in the St Mary's.  It was spectacular sport and I was lucky and had a great guide John Guliani. You can break an ankle or leg chasing steelhead on that rocky and swift riffle.  I wish I was twenty years old again and could leap from rock to rock.  If you go, use felt soles and bring a wading staff.  Step on flat rocks only.  The round ones will roll.
 and dont wade deep.  The water is always vodka clear and you must not let your shadow fall over a pool or you wont catch anything..  We hid behind large rocks and I believe that helped.  An 8 wt rod, floating line in white and an excellent reel is the ticket.  I used a Ross and it performed wonderfully.

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Re: WET FLY WAYS.
« Reply #107 on: June 03, 2009, 09:34:34 PM »

How are you ?. you should be here now fishing the White, we have perfect wet fly water. Just the other day we landed 18 very nice Browns, daddy was one of those killers along with woodcock and hares ear, invicta and a few different soft hackles.

Dam zone is also awesome fishing, but there only allowed a one fly rig, so sowbugs and my Prizm midges are the daily deal.
this year due to very high water last year we have a bunch of 20 to 25 ins Bows there

We may see that change next year all being well.

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Re: WET FLY WAYS.
« Reply #108 on: June 03, 2009, 09:49:42 PM »
AusableTrophyHunter,

Do you catch those Atlantics there by swinging flies? I have always wanted to go there and try it. It seems like you have a lot of experience there. Have you done any summer run steelhead fishing on the south side of the lake in the St. Joes or Trail Creek? I have heard some wild stories about those two streams.

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Re: WET FLY WAYS.
« Reply #109 on: June 03, 2009, 10:33:31 PM »
Aaron, l was going to do same, if l remember you need to be there in June time

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Re: WET FLY WAYS.
« Reply #110 on: June 04, 2009, 04:05:40 PM »
   Aaron, I have not fished Skamania in southern lake Mich.  I much prefer the aesthetics of cold water, blue ribbon rivers. 
   As for the Atlantics of St Mary, they are caught in a wide variety of ways.  There are people trolling with downriggers, fisherman casting spoons from shore, fly fisherman using nymphs, salmon flies and my favorite method, casting streamers with a floating line from a boat.
   You watch for sea gulls that dive on emerald shiners that are balled up by speeding,attacking pods of salmon.  Then I present a zonker streamer with an olive rabbit back, white and silver body.  A salmon will hit it, stun it and then I set the hook.  As Davy would say..."God save the queen" and set the hook hard!
  The salmon wiil be seen breaking the surface and the bait fish make the water look like a little whirlpool.  Birds dive and feed and the world is good.  The water is extremely clear and always cold, so the salmon are near the surface.
  Overcast skies and a rising barometer mean fast action.  The opposite conditions are not so good.
  Other fly fisherman, present tiny nymphs to sighted salmon near the power plant on the American side.  I have done that and caught several salmon that way but I prefer casting streamers.
   Now, the riffles are to me, very rocky and tricky to wade but the fish are prolific.  Use a wading staff and pay attention.  This past week, I had to chase two large steelhead down two pools to land them.  I had to be extremely cautious in pursuit.  I was told that I would have been better off with felt soles instead of the spiked soles I had.  At any rate, step on the flat stones and never the round bowling ball sized rocks.  I love big trout!
  I will be returning in June for Atlantic salmon or as Davy tells me, landlocked salmon.  All I know is they are very large, fast and they jump.

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Re: WET FLY WAYS.
« Reply #111 on: June 04, 2009, 05:01:27 PM »
Would you be game to fish for them if I came up for a few days in August? Pretty please:)

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Re: WET FLY WAYS.
« Reply #112 on: June 04, 2009, 05:15:49 PM »
That is definately good advise Au, watching the gulls.  That is how we fished for white bass on Lake Erie.  The bass would push the baitfish to the surface and the gulls would feast on them.
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Re: WET FLY WAYS.
« Reply #113 on: June 05, 2009, 06:18:11 PM »
I finally had a chance to watch the wet fly ways dvd.  I have 18 month old girl so most of my t.v. watching involves Dora or Blues clues.  All I can say about the dvd is wow!  My mind is truely blown open.  I'm very interested in trying these techniques out.  I can think of a ton of places where wet flies would make more sense than any other presentation.  I have always been a big fan of soft hackles and had good success with them eventhough I wasn't fishing them to half their potential.  Now I have a better understanding of how to fish them correctly.  A couple of the flies that really interested me were the muddler daddy and the clyde style soft hackles.  The muddler daddy just looks so fishy.  The clyde style flies interest me because of how simple and sparse that they are.  I really can not wait to give wet fly fishing a rip this weekend.  Thanks Davy! 

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Re: WET FLY WAYS.
« Reply #114 on: June 05, 2009, 10:18:07 PM »

You are most welcome, you will enjoy learning and catching fish the Welsh way.

If you need the flies l supply those also.

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Re: WET FLY WAYS.
« Reply #115 on: June 07, 2009, 11:20:02 AM »
Take a look at two articles today in Mich's daily news, sports, outdoors on fishing steelhead right now on St Mary's .  Info is accurate and if anything understates fish size.  freep.com  I have been overwhelmed, will write more in future.

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Re: WET FLY WAYS.
« Reply #116 on: June 29, 2009, 03:06:07 PM »
  It has been too hot for good fishing during normal hours.  I did have a funny experience two days in a row last weekend.  I was wet fly fishing and I  had just the leader in the water while I vacilatted about changing the top dropper and what to use etc.  A rainbow rose to the middle dropper inches from my hand.  I set the hook and the fish was on for a few seconds!  This happened twice.  Apparently, the trout could not stand watching a fly dangling in the same spot and were unafraid of my waders etc.
   So, there you go.  A difficult day with warm temps, no clouds and fine tippets, yet the ridiculous occurs!  I suppose I should just stand in a river with a foot of tippet and jiggle a fly on the surface and wait for the trout!  Maybe I should add a glove in case it is a large trout.  I actually laughed aloud at the absurdity.
  Right now, the best action is after midnight fishing the Hex hatch.  I am ambivalent about the Hex hatch.  If you are at the right place at the right time, you can catch a trophy on a dry fly at a rod's length distance and the fight is hand to hand combat.  On the other hand, you can wait all night for a spinner fall that doesnt occur.  Or have ONE cast and one cast only to a big trout and blow it. 


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« Reply #117 on: June 29, 2009, 11:48:28 PM »

I can related to this one.
Some years ago a friend and l were fishing a private stillwater on a day when not a fished seemed to show any interest to what we were doing, and l might add this was a water l knew well.

We were on a high bank about 10ft above the water. My friend had his rod laid on the bank and the flies l assume just on or off the water, all of a sudden the rod lurched, he managed to catch it and proceeded to land a very large Rainbow trout.

I have seen same when flies were just hanging over the side of a boat, regardless of how close fish have rise to take the flies.

There used to be this old boy l knew who fished the Welsh lakes, just about the laziest fly fisher l have ever known.
He would simply cast a dry fly onto the lake and sit down and wait for a fish to take it. I remember one time watching him catch his limit of fish when not another was being caught by others.
the fish hooked themselves, he picked the rod up as the line was running away.
I went around the lake to see what he was using, he showed me this creation that he said looked like a field brown, which is a UK butterly, he told me he had seen fish rise to the natural when they landed on the water to get a drink. OK. That l could not argue with as butterflies will do that.
His fly looked nothing like the real deal, l cannot remember what the body was, but l know he had tied 4 very large brown hackles for the wings. And it was tied to a huge hook.

They were Brown trout by the way.

DW


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Re: WET FLY WAYS.
« Reply #118 on: August 18, 2010, 05:28:50 PM »
Hi this is my first post! I've been salmon fishing here in the NW with gear, and have only been fly fishing for trout since the spring, but I'm totally hooked. After a FFF casting series and some unsuccessful trips without a clue about actually fishing with flies, I did some research on different methods. While I do practice with nymphs and dries,  I'm fairly focused on wet fly fishing because I like the history and the tying of these flies. 

Anyway, I bought Wet Fly Ways, then ordered up 20 flies from Davy (thanks DW!! They are awesome!).  I use the DW tied flies sparingly (I don't want to lose them!!) along with some of my own ties.  Usually Invicta or Muddler Daddy as top or middle dropper, then my own hare's ear wet, wet renegade or a spider of some sort.  I'm amazed that it totally works and that the fish are taking Davy's flies (no surprises there!) and even my own (especially the renegade!)

I have encountered 2 setbacks (I'm sure there are more, but I just don't know about them yet):

1.  my stream regs say two flies only and no split shot, so I can't get that third dropper to act as the anchor.  Any ideas for getting around the 2 fly/no split shot rule? My setup is this: 1 fly tied to the end, and 1 dropper that I work in the surface--no 'middle' dropper.  How much better would my fishing be if I was able to rig an anchor properly.  And continue to practice, of course...

2.  I'm only 5'0", I think I need more reach and control, so now I'm saving up for a 10 or 11 ft rod.  If I'm wading, man, my 9'0" rod feels pretty inadequate.  Granted, I've only ever fished a 9' rod, so I guess what I don't know isn't hurting me.  But I can only imagine what a longer rod would do for my fishing. The TFO 10' is a great price and a great rod.  Given my short height, would I be better off saving a bit longer for the 11' streamflex?

Thanks guys.  I'm a girl.  But no special girl treatment...I hate that.  ;-)

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« Reply #119 on: August 18, 2010, 08:19:41 PM »
2.  I'm only 5'0", I think I need more reach and control, so now I'm saving up for a 10 or 11 ft rod.  If I'm wading, man, my 9'0" rod feels pretty inadequate.  Granted, I've only ever fished a 9' rod, so I guess what I don't know isn't hurting me.  But I can only imagine what a longer rod would do for my fishing. The TFO 10' is a great price and a great rod.  Given my short height, would I be better off saving a bit longer for the 11' streamflex?

Thanks guys.  I'm a girl.  But no special girl treatment...I hate that.  ;-)


I'll preface this with saying i'm a dry and streamer guy..no wets/nymphs but I think...diminutive stature or otherwise..once you start getting out past 50ft range your gonna start missing way more fish than you'll be hooking up with especially as a beginner...plus particularly when casting cross current it's tough to keep it drag free from that far out so if distance is solely what your after I'd say shy away from the 10ft rod personally as long as you can get out to 50 feet with your 9ft stick...I know a bunch of these guys like to do the euro nymphing techniques etc.. and I think the 10ft-11ft rods are customary for that so if you're into that stuff then it might be worth it but again as long as you can throw 50 feet with your 9ft then you should be alright..i'm 6ft and fish an 8'6" for everything from small streams to big rivers/reserviors...I think in terms of casting distance vs increased rod length to it's also somewhat dependent on the length of the casting stroke you have as well so here's a a link to a site you can check out which talks about it a bit more in depth http://www.bishfish.co.nz/articles/fresh/ten_foot_fly_rod.htm
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