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Attractor dries & choosing fly color
« on: December 16, 2008, 05:48:35 PM »
If you all ever want a true education on dry fly fishing, look no further than Gary LaFonataine's book "The Dry Fly".  Talk about a boatload of info, and definitely not the same old stuff.  As per the way he usually investigates things, many hours spent underwater in scuba gear were part of the process, watching people fish different flies & techniques and the trout responses.

For Attractors, dries that are meant for searching the water during non-hatch periods, he has a chapter entitled "A Theory of Attraction", and it basically tells you what color fly to fish under various light conditions/backround colors.  Pretty much takes the guesswork out of picking the color, except for certain flies like the Royal Wullf & Trude, which are good under any light conditions (except cloudy days).  He came up with a specific design called the Double Wing that maximizes the impact of color.  Here is a quick summary of some of the basic colors & when to use them:

1. White- shade, dusk, or anytime on a brown trout stream (they like shadows)
2. Gray- cloudy days
3. Orange- sunrise, sunsent, and during the Autumn
4. Lime- midday, or anytime on heavily wooded streams when the leaves are green
5. Royal- all around attractor, anytime the sun is out, but not so good on cloudy days
6. Black- at night
7. Yellow- mid-morning, mid-afternoon, during rain storms, and when a lot of yellow bodied    insects are around
8. Pink- early morning & late afternoon

The theme is matching the color of the fly to the dominant color of the ambient light.  When light hits an object, we perceive it's color due to light bouncing off the object- if an object is orange, then it absorbs other wavelengths and bounces the orange light back to our eye, creating the color.  By matching the fly to the ambient light, it stands out & appears bright or as LaFonataine likes to say "On fire".

This book has so much info in it that my head hurts if I spend more than a little while reading it.  It truly is a wealth of info, and it is different stuff than you will see anywhere else.  It's a shame he died  of ALS, he still had so much he wanted to investigate & write about.  I bet he would have done an amazing book on nymphs eventually, he wanted to do one on streamers & another on bass. 

I can already see validity to some of the fly color stuff- for example the deadliness of a White Wullf on the Housatonic, esp. in the evening.  And I've known guys who swore by a bright orange spinner in the evenings.   
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Re: Attractor dries & choosing fly color
« Reply #1 on: December 16, 2008, 07:51:42 PM »
Somebody is in love with Gary and wants to marry him! When you read the book do you find yourself getting all excited Torrey?


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Re: Attractor dries & choosing fly color
« Reply #2 on: December 17, 2008, 12:28:29 AM »
Juice, you're really getting to know Torrey well, aren't you?  ;D

I've heard Borger (the one that doesn't ride on coattails) say the same thing about using bright orange spinners when the fish are keying on them as the sun is going down, during that time of day when the sunlight is that bright orange. I can't remember exactly if he said bright orange body, or maybe it was wings, but the theory was the same about the sunlight absorption interaction with the fly.
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Re: Attractor dries & choosing fly color
« Reply #3 on: December 17, 2008, 01:27:24 AM »
his book on the caddis said it all .no need to for anyone to write another book on them . Who is gary lafontaine ( he is one of the masters of our time ) Like the lee wolf of his time . It is to bad his life has ended . We are given glimpses into what greatness is .
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Re: Attractor dries & choosing fly color
« Reply #4 on: December 17, 2008, 07:06:27 AM »
Juice-

Gary who??  Dunno who you are talking about. ;D
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Re: Attractor dries & choosing fly color
« Reply #5 on: December 17, 2008, 08:38:52 AM »
A few years ago there was a trend in PA and the NY state trout fisheries to use Orange Ants.  These FF claimed great success with that color, another + for color being an attractor to trout.  I do belive it is not the exact color,,,,, but the brightness compared to surroundings as described by GL.

You do realized that Gary grew up in CT and fished the Farmington and Hous., he attended the Univ. of Montana for the fly fishing and stayed.   I know a few other FF who selected their undergraduate school for the FF opportunities.

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Re: Attractor dries & choosing fly color
« Reply #6 on: December 18, 2008, 12:43:15 AM »
Yeah, Gary is a CT boy originally, he logged well over 1,000+ days on the Farmington, as well as a bunch on the Housy too. 
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Re: Attractor dries & choosing fly color
« Reply #7 on: December 18, 2008, 02:49:29 PM »
I wish I had chosen a college as wisely...I was too young and stupid :'(
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Re: Attractor dries & choosing fly color
« Reply #8 on: January 17, 2009, 10:10:16 PM »
In keeping with Gary's theory of attraction, I've had great luck in the evenings with a Usual dubbed on fire orange thread- the body glows orange when it's wet.
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Re: Attractor dries & choosing fly color
« Reply #9 on: January 17, 2009, 10:59:20 PM »
Torrey - I am with you there.  My most successful dry flies have long used spectrumized dubbing with a bright thread underlay.  For example, if the spectrumized dubbing contains yellow/red/blue/whote fibers, an underlayment of thread in one of these colors makes a glowing underbody the fish like.  My favorite thread is 8/0 yellow for this application (great Isonychia!).

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Re: Attractor dries & choosing fly color
« Reply #10 on: April 22, 2009, 10:34:40 AM »
Thanks for this post! Being a small stream brookie angler, attractors are a huge majority of what I fish with. 

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Re: Attractor dries & choosing fly color
« Reply #11 on: May 30, 2009, 03:10:32 PM »


I've heard Borger say the same thing about using bright orange spinners when the fish are keying on them as the sun is going down, during that time of day when the sunlight is that bright orange. I can't remember exactly if he said bright orange body, or maybe it was wings, but the theory was the same about the sunlight absorption interaction with the fly.


I think Gary was referring to the discovery that the sherry spinner, an old pattern, was effect in the correct sizes during the red glow of sunset.

http://www.danica.com/flytier/kpassant/sherry_spinner.htm

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Re: Attractor dries & choosing fly color
« Reply #12 on: July 20, 2010, 02:41:21 PM »
In keeping with Gary's theory of attraction, I've had great luck in the evenings with a Usual dubbed on fire orange thread- the body glows orange when it's wet.

That's amazing, the other day, Sunday to be exact I fished the crap out of an orange sulfur pattern and didn't get so much as a strike. It was a lousy night I'd say for both sulfurs and the iso's. not many rises and there where alot of other bugs on the water....Caught one fish on tan caddis that is all.

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Re: Attractor dries & choosing fly color
« Reply #13 on: July 20, 2010, 09:05:48 PM »
I am sure that Gary would call you a liar ;)

That fly "usually" works well, pardon the usual part. There are times where that old standbys just don't fit the bill. When all else fails in the summer I like to use sulphur orange colored spinners. That's my backup to the usual. Third would be a large rusty spinner to imitate an isonychia spinner.

The only summer "curse" would be those damn tiny blue winged olives. When the fish get on those 20-24 olives they can get really tough.

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Re: Attractor dries & choosing fly color
« Reply #14 on: July 22, 2010, 12:49:17 AM »
In keeping with the color theory...Black.  When the sun goes behind the hills and fish are still coming up I like to tie on a Black bivisible type of fly.  Its basically black hackle palmered up the body over black thread.  In small sizes(18-24) I tie on a little tuft of muskrat fur about a third of the body length of the fly off the tail.  It really hammers fish from dusk through dark.  I have used this on the Farmington, Housatonic, Deerfield, and various Colorado streams.  Its very easy to see if there is alot of glare on the water too...which there often is at this time of day.  Super simple and works on both caddis and mayfly hatches. 
Also, back when I hit the beaches for stripers after work a few years back, we always used black or purple flys at night. Doesnt matter what type of bait that was prevalent, we always made sure to have something be it a clouser deciever or puglisi fly or in some cases plugs in black and or black/purple. During bright sunny days white or yellow flies or plugs were the ticket. After 20 years of surf/jetty/boat fishing for stripers you could really narrow it down to black, white, yellow and chartruese if all else failed.
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